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More new models launched

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:19 pm
by slparry

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:47 pm
by f90x
Uh Oh. That Urban GS looks good. Probably wouldn't look as good with the PR4's that I'd need to put on it though...

That GS310 will sell in droves I reckon.

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:08 pm
by fontana
f90x wrote: That GS310 will sell in droves I reckon.
And deservedly so.
A compact lightweight miniature GS.
Yes please
Want one
:shock:

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:14 pm
by fontana
Oh hang on a minute.
Looks like these 310's are made in India.
:(

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:16 pm
by milleplod
fontana wrote:Oh hang on a minute.
Looks like these 310's are made in India.
:(
Not necessarily an issue....let's face it, some of the German-built ones aren't perfect, are they?! :lol:

Pete

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:56 pm
by fontana
milleplod wrote:
fontana wrote:Oh hang on a minute.
Looks like these 310's are made in India.
:(
Not necessarily an issue....let's face it, some of the German-built ones aren't perfect, are they?! :lol:

Pete
Sounded very bigoted of me didn't it
:oops:
I don't mean to imply that Indian workers aren't just as capable as those from any other nation.
It's just that I like my bikes to at least have been assembled in their country of origin.

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:03 pm
by milleplod
I didn't take it as bigoted at all - there's some right c**p made over there! :lol:

Aren't the 650 single engines put together in China these days? I suppose with proper management, China and India are perfectly capable of turning out 'German quality'.

Pete

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:07 pm
by slparry
milleplod wrote:I didn't take it as bigoted at all - there's some right c**p made over there! :lol:

Aren't the 650 single engines put together in China these days? I suppose with proper management, China and India are perfectly capable of turning out 'German quality'.

Pete
650 singles no longer available Pete, stopped making them a while back along with the 4 cylinder K13's too

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:09 pm
by milleplod
I didn't know that Steve! :oops: Did they make them in China when they were current?

Pete

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:15 pm
by slparry
milleplod wrote:I didn't know that Steve! :oops: Did they make them in China when they were current?

Pete
Yes ... the G650 range had some components made in China I believe

The original F650 Funduro was assembled under licence by Aprilia (some components still had Aprilia stamped on them) .... I had three Funduro's and found them a fun commuter and back lane bike. The engines were made by Rotax but using BMW's 4 valve head design rather than Aprilias 5 valve.

The F650GS's saw production move to Berlin. Then when the G650 range was launched production moved to the far east again.

The loss of the 4 cylinder K series really p*sses me off as there's nothing in the range to take on the Japanese sports tourers like the GTR or FJR

The RT is great but hasn't the HP the 4's have

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:20 pm
by milleplod
Ta for the info. I had an Aprilia Pegaso a while back, should've kept it really - I'll add it to the list of 'bikes and cars I stupidly sold'!

Yes, its a shame re the Ks biting the dust, its like the end of an era really - unless they have a change of heart, I'd have thought there was a market for them...or is it an emissions thing?

Pete

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:00 pm
by slparry
milleplod wrote:Ta for the info. I had an Aprilia Pegaso a while back, should've kept it really - I'll add it to the list of 'bikes and cars I stupidly sold'!

Yes, its a shame re the Ks biting the dust, its like the end of an era really - unless they have a change of heart, I'd have thought there was a market for them...or is it an emissions thing?

Pete
They were a design ruined by the accountants, the engineers had designed them well but at the time BMW allowed the finance department to run the quality control function. On a complex bike like the K4x's this was fatal and resulted in them gaining a poor reputation for reliablilty. BMW moved QC back to engineering but it was too late the poor K's had been tainted and it was decided to focus on the R and S range with the 6 cyl 1650 being the only remnant of the past

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:13 pm
by fontana
milleplod wrote:I didn't take it as bigoted at all - there's some right c**p made over there! :lol:
Those new Harley street 750's are made in India and selling well apparently.
So I guess if Harley purists aren't bothered, we shouldn't be.
The more I look at that mini GS, the more I want one
Oh dear
:cry:

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:31 pm
by f90x
I think I'm correct in saying that the entire new Bonneville range is built in Thailand. If the quality is good then it doesn't really matter in this day and age, and let's face it, BMW's quality has hardly been 'typically German' of late.

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:51 pm
by fontana
f90x wrote:I think I'm correct in saying that the entire new Bonneville range is built in Thailand. If the quality is good then it doesn't really matter in this day and age, and let's face it, BMW's quality has hardly been 'typically German' of late.
I have a bit of a problem with this.
If a bike is being sold to me on the basis of it's history and heritage, then yes, I most certainly would want it to at least be assembled here.