Gatso's are about to get sneakier .....

[boxerscott]

Germany can afford new technologies. We can not even maintain the old ones we have. A new phase of safety cameras for our road? do not think so somehow, public sector is circling the rim.

[tanneman]

The police or any authority cannot at their whim seize information that is part and parcel of the item you have bought. They need to issue a warrant to seize the info and for that they need to proof you are a suspect or person of interest in their investigation. In the mean time you can do with that info what you like.

The same with the Aprilia Mille that records the highest speed you have done and is accessible through functions in the display. Some traffic cops knows this but how are you going to prove where that speed has been reached. You can also reset this of course.

[StreetFlatTwin]

Tannerman,
I have no clue in English law but in Scots law the is a common law power to seize ANYTHING that the police believe has some influence in the matter being investigated. They have the power to seize and impound a whole car IF they believe that say the was a mechanical fault which led to the incident (read crash) and hold it until it has been examined.

So seizing your bike until its been downloaded or the ecu whipped out to be downloaded by Kawasaki is no biggie! They can hold the vehicle as "best evidence" until once the criminal matter has been dealt with which could be a year after the incident!!!

I will NEVER buy a bike with this built in to it!!

The difference with the highest recorded speed being noted on the dash is that it doesn't tell you when it was recorded (the street triple has it as well) but the Kawasaki only starts recording in an accident so the folk investigating know exactly when the incident was!!

It's the slippery slope........

[tanneman]

Lets hope that this kind of thing is not implemented by the EU for this big brother thing is getting a bit ..... can't find an English word to describe it.

All the more reason

http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a6990

[DaveH]

I would then have to have a summer 5 am thrash around north Wales bike that was bereft of number plates ..... if I were ever to be a speeder of course

It was pointed out to me a while ago that riding fast past a camera van would get you £60 and 3 points.

Taking your number plate off and popping it in your jacket (it fell off officer and I lost the screws) and riding past the same van would get you nothing .... IF you got stopped for not displaying a number plate the most you'd get is £30 and no points.

Back in the day Ahem!! I knew of some reprobates who experimented with flip down number plates.
The existing plate was fixed to the rear end via a hinge and a bicycle derailier cable and lever was fitted inside the fairing
If by chance there was a remote possibility that the speed limit would be broken then the rider could release the cable tension and the plate would flip down level A spring would make sure the plate stayed down,
and if you wrote in a French style number on the remaining black placcy guard then from a distance, say 30m then it looked just like a foreign bike.

It was I believe tested to great effect somewhere in the S West

Or you could just buy one of these
http://www.speedflip.com/

[f800s]

How can a company sell something that's only purpose is to break the law?!!!

[sandbar]

I will NEVER buy a bike with this built in to it!!

You already have!

After an ABS recall check on my BCR many years ago, I was given a printout of the bikes complete braking history since the ecu was first activated on the end of the production line. It was broken down into front brake, rear brake, front ABS activation and rear ABS activation and each was detailed to the hundredth of a second! Not just the overall totals but a breakdown against time. It was three or four pages long.

The information is already in there, it is just a question of being able to read it

........ but the Kawasaki only starts recording in an accident so the folk investigating know exactly when the incident was!!

That cannot be correct! My understanding is that the ecu always has the information (not only the time, but also tps, speed, brake info and loads of other data) stored for the last whatever period of time. It is, of course, continually updating that information so that in the event of an accident (or whatever) then the last however many seconds of info is there. The down side of this is that the information is also there should you be stopped by the side of the road or even whilst parked up anywhere. A trawl at, say, the Ace at certain times would get a lot of 'evidence'!

Switching off the ignition does not get rid of the info!

sandbar

[StreetFlatTwin]

I might be thick but surely the ecu would only record engine details, yeah TPS, revs, gear, temperature etc it's the first I have ever heard of brake details being recorded - I'm assuming it's only ABS active or not??? But they don't actually have the time noted so all it would have is the engine parameters and ABS active or not but wouldn' be able to specify when this happened???!

It's not going to note where and how long and how hard you braked as there simply isn't anything that measures that on board a bike!

If this "feature" is present and downloadable then why isn't it mentioned in the user manual??? Surely as owners and riders we have a legal right to know that "anything you do will be noted (by a computer) and can be used as evidence....."

Next there will be a verbal police caution before we start the bike!!!!

[slparry]

UK = sleepwalking into a police state

[sandbar]

It's not going to note where and how long and how hard you braked as there simply isn't anything that measures that on board a bike!

You would think so, wouldn't you? The older ecus do not know where you are, but, as I said, I have seen a print out from a 2003 model ecu. Every new model is significantly advanced in this area.

If this "feature" is present and downloadable then why isn't it mentioned in the user manual??? Surely as owners and riders we have a legal right to know that "anything you do will be noted (by a computer) and can be used as evidence....."

You jest - surely?

sandbar

[popsky]

I would then have to have a summer 5 am thrash around north Wales bike that was bereft of number plates ..... if I were ever to be a speeder of course

It was pointed out to me a while ago that riding fast past a camera van would get you £60 and 3 points.

Taking your number plate off and popping it in your jacket (it fell off officer and I lost the screws) and riding past the same van would get you nothing .... IF you got stopped for not displaying a number plate the most you'd get is £30 and no points.

Back in the day Ahem!! I knew of some reprobates who experimented with flip down number plates.
The existing plate was fixed to the rear end via a hinge and a bicycle derailier cable and lever was fitted inside the fairing
If by chance there was a remote possibility that the speed limit would be broken then the rider could release the cable tension and the plate would flip down level A spring would make sure the plate stayed down,
and if you wrote in a French style number on the remaining black placcy guard then from a distance, say 30m then it looked just like a foreign bike.

It was I believe tested to great effect somewhere in the S West

Or you could just buy one of these
http://www.speedflip.com/

That's brill Dave, the same effect as we 'ahhh I mean those other people' achieved back in 1990! A natural progression to make it electronic I spose.

[StreetFlatTwin]

If this "feature" is present and downloadable then why isn't it mentioned in the user manual??? Surely as owners and riders we have a legal right to know that "anything you do will be noted (by a computer) and can be used as evidence....."

Next there will be a verbal police caution before we start the bike!!!![/quote]

Sandbar for the record YEAH i was joking!! I should have inserted a few of these

[notoriusb.e.n]

Great, so expect hidden speed cameras for my trip to germany this year then. The horror, of doing an entire week sticking to the speed limit!