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I'm not looking forward to the idea of a national limit of 50 mph (and less). It seems ridiculous to me. But if "they" want it they'll massage any statistics they can get their hands on to help make it happen.

How direct is the link between this happening and driverless cars?

Boxermed69 wrote:

Blackal wrote:The Welsh are a bunch of sheepshaggers anyway........

Al

LOL

Not so much the comment but the fact that you parachuted it into the middle of a shit storm. Genius.

Mike

Al was right - Steve agreed but did qualify it with "we shag them and you eat em"

I have to conclude with PB on the snobbery bit - I've met both and can say that neither are snobs in fact never met any snobbery on any Boxertrix weekend

The quote about the North Circular, however, doesn't fit in with this debate - although dangerous, it requires a different skill set to riding twisties.

I think you're going to find these sorts of riders on any "good" country roads anywhere in the country on any weekend. It's why I prefer my time off in the middle of the week - all the idiots (well most of them) are at work. But the fact remains we are responsible for our own actions and I do believe the powers that be will use any means to stop us persueing our choosen hobby. Like it or not, motorcycling is in decline and these idiots do nothing for our cause.

I think there is a definite syndrome (for want of a better word) whereby some riders, more often than not with only Saturdays and Sundays available for recreational riding (no - that's not a euphemism for "shagging" )........... travel from areas with poorer roads (be that inner city, suburbs or industrial heartland - to places like the Peaks, Wales, Yorkie Dales etc.... and ride harder than they normally might - because of the rare event that it is (getting a Saturday, with good weather and no trip to IKEA planned )

For the people who live in the areas like Peaks, Wales etc who have it on their doorstep, for evenings out, early mornings, - there is perhaps less impetous to "perform".

To me - the above makes sense.........

Al

Blackal wrote:I think there is a definite syndrome (for want of a better word) whereby some riders, more often than not with only Saturdays and Sundays available for recreational riding (no - that's not a euphemism for "shagging" )........... travel from areas with poorer roads (be that inner city, suburbs or industrial heartland - to places like the Peaks, Wales, Yorkie Dales etc.... and ride harder than they normally might - because of the rare event that it is (getting a Saturday, with good weather and no trip to IKEA planned )

For the people who live in the areas like Peaks, Wales etc who have it on their doorstep, for evenings out, early mornings, - there is perhaps less impetous to "perform".

To me - the above makes sense.........

Al

Good theory Al, sounds plausible ..... although you may be lambasted for using the term "poorer roads" ... pah road snob

Poor people should be banned at the border, or made to clean us Country peoples' bike before being let in.

pfft

Blackal wrote:I think there is a definite syndrome ...........

For the people who live in the areas like Peaks, Wales etc who have it on their doorstep, for evenings out, early mornings, - there is perhaps less impetous to "perform".

To me - the above makes sense.........

Al

EVERYTHING ultimately boils down to sex and food. Probably in that order. So how about we "move on" from all the talk of willy wagging. We've all got an ego, to some degree. I hear what you're saying, but surely it is more about freedom? As a sensation, as opposed to a political principal (if they are different).

How are we to stop the seemingly inexorable slide towards blanket 50 mph (or less) speed limits? Can we stop it? Even if we stop hurling ourselves at the scenery, will they not just find another excuse? Another statistical scapegoat.

Edit: in retrospect I feel my reply might appear a little (unintentionally) aggressive. I apologise to Al, if so.

I think there's something in what you say, but, as a theory, it's nowhere near broad enough!

Can someone go into more detail on the differences between "willy wagging" and "making progress".

Is it possible, for example, that one persons willy wagging is another's making progress?

Examples please.

Corvus wrote:Can someone go into more detail on the differences between "willy wagging" and "making progress".

Is it possible, for example, that one persons willy wagging is another's making progress?

Examples please.

To me making progress would be akin to the police roadcraft system, smooth fast unintrusive to other road users.

Whereas as willie waggling would be aggressive, cutting others up, last minute overtakes into oncoming traffic making other drivers move over to let you through, thereby relying on the actions of someone else to complete the manoeuvre, wheelies, stoppies, totally inappropriate speed for the conditions etc. and a woeful disregard for anyone else.

slparry wrote:.

Whereas as willie waggling would be aggressive, cutting others up, last minute overtakes into oncoming traffic making other drivers move over to let you through, thereby relying on the actions of someone else to complete the manoeuvre, wheelies, stoppies, totally inappropriate speed for the conditions etc. and a woeful disregard for anyone else.

"Testosterone-fueled" would probably cover it........

Al

Willy wagging .... Flying though traffic on solid whites, cutting in, making other traffic swerve or panic. Speeding through built up areas (someone passed me a coupe of weeks ago at 80 plus in a 30--- suspect it may have been Harry showing off his incredible town riding skills). Bunches of guys all over the rear of traffic, feet away and intimidating other road users.

Making progress - anything between speed limit and taking opportunities for safe overtakes and riding within limits... up toward willy wagging, without in fact showing one's willy

What is the difference between ignoring built up area speed limits or the national speed limit?

bikemad99 wrote:What is the difference between ignoring built up area speed limits or the national speed limit?

Legally nowt, but there's less danger on national limit roads compared to 40/30 limit as usually there's a lower limit for a good reason. and while many trafpol will give a bit on making progress in NSL roads they rightly have zero tolerance on built up area limits

Mainly population, junctions, more traffic. pedestrians more common in built up areas etc.

80 in a 60 compared to 80 in a 30 would surely be something that needs no further explanation wouldnt it?

So not so many accidents on national limit roads then?

bikemad99 wrote:So not so many accidents on national limit roads then?

ISTR that there's less than in built up areas yes, with motorways having the least