Finally got a copy :)

Corvus · Post by **Corvus** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:47 pm

slparry wrote:
Corvus wrote:I was guessing pretty much the same!

The only other thing I could think maybe a factor is the enormous speed potential of the k and therefore the enormous braking loads. Those legs look perdy damn strong in a head on kind of way.

Thinking of the flickable aspect, I assume the steering ratio is 1/1?
The legs are strong but the levers under the fairing are a bit delicate looking

The wishbones?

Methinks looks can be deceiving. They are compact and made of forged steel. There goes the unsprung weight? I'm guessing the legs are made from cast ally?

slparry · Post by **slparry** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:53 pm

yes the wishbones, the legs as you say are cast

slparry · Post by **slparry** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:53 pm

ps ... the wheels are incredibly light tho'

Corvus · Post by **Corvus** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:03 pm

slparry wrote:ps ... the wheels are incredibly light tho'

That's good.

In a comparison against telescopics (not necessary, but why not for our amusement?) the same wheels could just as well be used in telescopics. So no advantage in a comparison.

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not on one fence or another, necessarily. I'm grateful there is at least some diversity out there. I wish there were more. But there is diversity, each with its own pros and cons, so why not ponder it?

slparry · Post by **slparry** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:43 pm

I suspect we're back to the argument that what works on the track doesn't always translate to the road and vice versa.

I find duo/tele lever for road use miles better than telescopics. On a track it may be different, although I believe HP2's cope well enough on track

Corvus · Post by **Corvus** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:21 pm

slparry wrote:I suspect we're back to the argument that what works on the track doesn't always translate to the road and vice versa.

I find duo/tele lever for road use miles better than telescopics. On a track it may be different, although I believe HP2's cope well enough on track

Confronting that question is inescapable, especially these days.

Times, they are a changing perhaps?

My last post was concerned with lower unsprung weight, a benefit in any situation? Either a particular system has a lower value, or it doesn't.

Why is it called suspension when it supports rather than hangs? That was a question innocently put to me and I couldn't answer it.

Corvus · Post by **Corvus** » Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:46 pm

eyore wrote:Just to digress slightly,as I have neve rridden anyting with duolever, do the telelever and duolever systems feel exactly the same in terms of handling, feedback,comfort etc.??

Just to go back to this point, if I may.

Is it fair to say that Telelever, as it exists to date, has a significantly longer wishbone than found on duo lever? Longer wishbone (you would think?) would allow longer wheel travel. Or does the fact that duo lever have two wishbones somehow counter that thought?

You can't accuse me of mindless drivel.

Just drivel. Ha ha ha.

conkerman · Post by **conkerman** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:53 pm

probably needs a longer wishbone to control, fore/aft travel of the wheel through the stroke. Duolever doesn't have the top pivot.

conkerman · Post by **conkerman** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:38 pm

My old man had a K1200GT for a while.

Never really got on with it as he though it was too heavy, he is a countersteering denier though.

Never had the opportunity to have a blast though

Ended up with a GS and loves it.

slparry · Post by **slparry** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:43 pm

don't know how anyone can argue against countersteering. Over a minimal speed a single track vehicle steers "opposite" to say a twin track vehicle, and it's easily proven.

Simply ride along a straight road push the left bar forward a millimetre, which means the wheel is pointing slightly to the right. The bike will now tip to the left, counter to the direction it's being steered

conkerman · Post by **conkerman** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:49 pm

I know.

He is just a dick.

Corvus · Post by **Corvus** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:19 pm

slparry wrote:don't know how anyone can argue against countersteering. Over a minimal speed a single track vehicle steers "opposite" to say a twin track vehicle, and it's easily proven.

Simply ride along a straight road push the left bar forward a millimetre, which means the wheel is pointing slightly to the right. The bike will now tip to the left, counter to the direction it's being steered

Another test for the non believers is to take your hands off the bars. Now, to turn, see which bar you have to nudge (or pull, depending on your preference). It's the opposite one to which seems instinctive.

Does it work right down to near zero mph though?

slparry · Post by **slparry** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:27 pm

Corvus wrote:
slparry wrote:don't know how anyone can argue against countersteering. Over a minimal speed a single track vehicle steers "opposite" to say a twin track vehicle, and it's easily proven.

Simply ride along a straight road push the left bar forward a millimetre, which means the wheel is pointing slightly to the right. The bike will now tip to the left, counter to the direction it's being steered
Another test for the non believers is to take your hands off the bars. Now, to turn, see which bar you have to nudge (or pull, depending on your preference). It's the opposite one to which seems instinctive.

Does it work right down to near zero mph though?

No, at very low speeds the gyroscopic forces aren't sufficient to act upon the steering forces so actual physical steering works from the friction of the tyre and the tarmac.

conkerman · Post by **conkerman** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:32 pm

Starts to work at about 20-30MPH.

There is a perfect bend for it near me where toy steer on the way in, and countersteer on the way out to keep a smooth line all the way round.

Dai wiskers · Post by **Dai wiskers** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:52 pm

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