PNC & the RSPCA

[slparry]

This is just so wrong!

http://www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/home/ ... u-now.html

Why should anyone have the right to the police national computer except the police or the security services

[Bikerhoss]

I'm a wee bit ignorant of the RSPCA, but I know that the SSPCA have the power to report things direct to the Procurator Fiscal in Scotland (even though they're a charity). I've been out with one of the local Inspectors a few times, who happens to be a Special Constable too.

Anyone can get someone's registered keeper details pretty easily if you've got valid reason. All you have to do is apply through the post office on a V888 form for £2.50.

Our council Waste Management team can get PNC details easily for fly-tippers etc, And like the RSPCA I think you'll find it's audited up to the hilt. You'll always get tubes who abuse these systems, Price we pay for having large databases unfortunately. Maybe being a bit 'devils advocate' Steve, but if someone dumps two tons of building rubble or an emaciated horse in your drive, would you not want the council/RSPCA to find out who they were? Just an example, I respect your viewpoint entirely

Personally, if you're under investigation for any crime the RSPCA are likely to be following up, and they need your details, I have no problem what so ever with them being able to access PNC. Ok, I'm animal welfare biased, so I apologies for my view

[slparry]

Me too (animal welfare biased that is) I'm just not sure how "right" it is for PNC data to be open like this, I have no problem with the police providing information when required, but to have another body accessing that information seems an additional unnecessary risk to the privacy of the data, the more access points to the data the more chance human error will corrupt the integrity of the data.

The problem is nowadays is that there is so much data held on us all, one error can have catastrophic effects to the individual and can take years to correct causing much suffering and stress for those involved.

To me the police should be the gatekeepers of the system with no outside bodies allowed direct access, but relevant parties allowed to request data.

[Bikerhoss]

The problem is nowadays is that there is so much data held on us all, one error can have catastrophic effects to the individual and can take years to correct causing much suffering and stress for those involved.

Totally agree. I can give you a personal example. Our credit rating was f*@ked up by someone unable to use a keyboard properly. Our address was effectively removed from the world and disappeared from the postal register and voters roll for over two years which caused no end of hassle with increased APR on credit/loans, refusal of insurance, refusal of credit, problems trying to trade in a car, unable to order goods online etc etc etc, Fortunately we got it sorted, but it wasn't easy

[slparry]

Yuck!

What worries me even more is when this data gets farmed out to the developing world call centres ...

[adrianw]

Not worried about PNC access so long as it is for criminal justice, but I am slightly upset over the DVLA selling your details to a UK debt collection agency who then try to recover fines from a foreign jurisdiction.

e.g. The M50 automated toll in Ireland

[nab 301]

e.g. The M50 automated toll in Ireland

Luckily it doesn't apply to bikes

[adrianw]

Hi,

Is that because they are forward facing and they missed a trick?

Or do the cameras face to the rear and they made a consession?

Adrian
PS Yes I was in a car and I didn't think the automated toll was applicable to visitors until UK debt agency started sending letters. I paid the toll company for the two journeys and binned the debt collectors notes.

[nab 301]

Hi,

Is that because they are forward facing and they missed a trick?

Or do the cameras face to the rear and they made a consession?

Adrian
PS Yes I was in a car and I didn't think the automated toll was applicable to visitors until UK debt agency started sending letters. I paid the toll company for the two journeys and binned the debt collectors notes.

Both actually... originally they were forward facing only and bikes weren't tolled,(they were officially exempt) then there were high rates of cars recorded tailgating trucks to avoid the toll. Afaik, cameras point both ways now, but bikes so far, are still officially exempt.
How much did you have to pay ? It can get quite expensive if you're late..
http://www.eflow.ie/tolls/

[adrianw]

> How much did you have to pay ?

I just logged into the website and payed for the 3 trips.

I've ignored everything else as the UK debt collection agency has no jurisdiction/powers to enforce.