Piers Morgan gun control

[Herb]

Completely off topic, but worth a watch. Stick with both parts. The pro gun guy is a complete nutcase.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news ... an-1524485

[StreetFlatTwin]

What a dick!!

The scary thing is that probably represents the thoughts of more than half of the US populations mindset!!!

And he can legally get his hands on "over 50 firearms"......I wouldn't trust him with a blunt pair of scissors!!!

[Blackal]

You should have a look over on the ADvrider bike site.............

It's a democratic country - they can manage it themselves.

You have to ask though - at what frequency of killings of 20 children at a time - does it become unacceptable to the American nation?

One a month?

One a week?

Like a lot of things - by the time you get round to doing something - you wish you had done it at the beginning.

Al

[Mike B]

glad he didn't have a gun with him! I think he would have shot him there and then!

[notoriusb.e.n]

Never saw the logic of putting guns in the hands of the public. They cannot be trusted, plain and simple. They are lethal weapons, designed for one thing only, to kill whatever you point it at. This coming from an ex serviceman. No-one should have a gun unless they have specialist training in the safe and responsible handling, thorough mental analysis and adhering to the strictest tightest regulation right up the wazoo to ensure that gun is never used unless in service of either the armed forces or associated government powers. Less guns = Less gun violence. Simple as that.

if you want to be able to defend yourself, lay off the burgers and hit the gym, fatty.

[Blackal]

They shouldn't allow guns to be owned by anyone who also owns a baseball cap.

That would sort it

Al

[dave the german]

Chit Al, I buy a baseball cap at every GP I go to - that means I cannot have 23 guns!!!!

[Herb]

The guy had a perfect opportunity to present a reasoned case, and instead he came across as a mad man.

He was on the edge of some reasonable points but did not articulate them, such as the fact that despite strict gun controls, the UK has one of the highest violent crime rates in Europe. He also started to mention the riots that were very high profile, but again chose to rave. Also he mentioned some cases where people have been jailed in the UK for defending their property, almost unthinkable in the US, and again went off at a tangent.

Personally, I can't see the need for semi automatic weapons for home defense, but I can see an argument for certain firearms if properly controlled.

[tanneman]

I grew up with guns in the house and my dad made sure that I can use the weapon safely. Was in the SA Air Force and had my military weapon training. I went hunting many times with my dad or mates. Last thing you want is a hunting accident or worse an accidental discharge at home. I have heard plenty of stories about guys with loaded rifles on the back of a pick-up hunting or a loaded rifle in the cab and even climbing through a fence with a loaded rifle that had an accident with fatal consequences. On the farm the rifle travels with me in the pick-up wherever I go so safety is important for me. It is locked away in a safe at home to prevent the uneducated everlasting piece of darkness to get his claws on it. To keep mentioned intruder at a distance my dad owns a semi auto pistol. All the guns is cleaned regularly and handled with care. In SA it is not only a question of protecting your home but using it for sport or hunting. The owners are logged with the SA police, psychological tests done and the safe inspected before you are deemed fit to own a weapon. That said I don't trust my cousin with a gun as he is a bit trigger happy.

The problem is not the licensed firearms but the illegal stuff that any criminal can get his hands on for a few quid. This is the weapons that is used to commit crime. I must also add that the situation in SA is different to the one in USA. You cannot own a full auto weapon, only semi auto and to get your hands on a modified assault rifle for semi auto only is very difficult.

In no way do I think that the public should have full auto weapons let alone assault rifles. Sure, it is a lot of fun firing the thing and messing up targets but to have it around the house is madness. The topic of armed self defence has been raised a few times in a hunting magazine my dad used to subscribe to. The best comment was 'if you need more than 15 bullets to stop an intruder it is no longer self defence but armed combat.' Maybe the merkins will wisen up but there is a big industry in the USA regarding customizing guns and it is more than just gold plating your Colt 1911. Let them carry on with their own politics, I've never been there and I'm sure that if I go there for whatever lenght of time I won't be caught in a shoot out.

[Blackal]

Chit Al, I buy a baseball cap at every GP I go to - that means I cannot have 23 guns!!!!

That in itself - helps me sleep at nights

Al

[Bikerhoss]

The problem is not the licensed firearms but the illegal stuff that any criminal can get his hands on for a few quid.

In no way do I think that the public should have full auto weapons let alone assault rifles.

However, in the UK, most high profile firearm problems have been the result of legal ownership.
As you can prob guess from my profile pic, I shoot, and as other ex-military folk etc, I used to carry firearms daily. As a result I have a VERY healthy respect for how dangerous they are. I'm definitely not a 'gun nut', but don't support a total ban, but I also realise how hard it is to keep them off the undesirables...... quite a few of which appear to be NRA members

[Blackal]

The healthy respect counts for nothing - if you "flip".

Farmers don't present a high incidence of suicide by gun because they are in a career/life which can lead to depression - it's due to them having at their disposal - the instrument to end it all.

I think the UK managed to do what the US has lost the opportunity to do - take away the "right" to own firearms, and limit the "nutters" to only fantasising as far as camo gear and gun mags.

Sure - unlicensed firearms are a problem, but a different one. Just because gangland shootings outstrip the Thomas Hamilton/Michael Ryan scenarios - it doesn't mean that nothing should be done about the latter.

Imagine if there had been a second "Dunblane" a year later? That was "our" tipping point - the USA don't appear to be at that point yet.


(all the above - based upon my right to bear opinions )



Al

[Bikerhoss]

Opinions count Al, and should always be listened to, Those that don't are the fools Friends don't always need to agree

Without a total ban & regardless how strict licensing is, there will always be those who abuse weapons, Bloody tragic regardless. Ask Kalishnikov if he regrets the AK, Did he not say he'd have preferred to invent a lawn mower or something

[AZ Pete]

" I'm definitely not a 'gun nut', but don't support a total ban, but I also realise how hard it is to keep them off the undesirables...... quite a few of which appear to be NRA members Rolling Eyes"

I don't know where you got your "facts" but I am unaware of any "NRA" member is the US that has been involved in any of these heinous acts. They are committed by mad men, who committed many crimes prior to, or in association with, their murders....so logically another law will cure the problem? I seem to recall that many NRA members donated their rifles, pistols and shotguns to Great Britain, when it was feared that the Nazis would land on your shores. Those donations were made because your government didn't think that you were generally responsible enough for gun ownership.

Having been a legal gun owner, competitive shooter, and hunter since I was a very young child. I find it difficult to believe that the solution to this problem is punishing the law abiding, to make a political posture. When the criminals go about what ever they choose, anyway.

The Piers Morgan shouting match was just a "pissing match between two skunks" and does not represent anyone but the two combatants.

By the way, I use to work with a woman that referred to motorcycles as "murder cycles". She obviously didn't think that anyone should have one, because they were too dangerous, in her opinion.

Now let's talk Motorcycles instead.

[slparry]

It's fine talking about motorcycles but brushing things under carpet's not going to help when the next load of schoolkids are slaughtered.

Make any crime where a gun is involved a capital offence & ban them from public ownership.

Until that happens every proponent of publicly owned guns has to share the guilt of the perpetrators of these massacres! If your not part of the resolution you're part of the problem